# Names (to Janet) **URL:** \ **Category:** Historical Archives\ **Created:** [September 9, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://treesvortex.com/t/names-to-janet/10656 "2004-09-09T23:16:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://treesvortex.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://treesvortex.com/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://treesvortex.com/t/names-to-janet/10656/1 "2004-09-09T23:16:26Z")
| _Yup, I actually do have a Curiel on my family tree from Guachinango. They are also related to "Curiel" from Mascota & Atenguillo. There might be a connection._ _Let me know when your ready to explore that branch._ _Janet_ > ----- Original Message ----- > > **From:** [sgapodaca](mailto:sgapodaca@... "sgapodaca@...") > > **To:** [ranchos@yahoogroups.com](mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com "ranchos@yahoogroups.com") > > **Sent:** Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:14 PM > > **Subject:** [ranchos] Re: Names (to Janet) > > > > Hello Janet. > > I think I had contact with you in the past. I am sorry to tell you, > but my Cervantes ancestors are all from the Zacoalco area (Santa > Catarina, San Marcos, Atotonilco el Bajo, San Andres, Los Pozos). > Also, I strongly believe that my Ramirez line is from El Crucero, a > town close to Zacoalco. > > However, I do have ancestors from Atenguillo and Acatitlan, which is > close to Guachinango. My family surnames from this area are Curiel, > Diaz, Pena, and Casares, but I have not researched these lines a lot. > Something interesting that I have noticed is that everytime I know of > someone researching this area, they all have a Curiel branch on their > family tree. I bet that you do, too. Once, when I was checking a > baptism book from Atenguillo, I noticed that "Curiel" was one of the > most common surnames in the index. Up to this date I have confirmed a > family tie to only one other Curiel researcher, but I am confident > that all the Curieles around this area descend from a single ancestor. > > Let me know what you think about it. > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Iglesias" > wrote: > \> Hello: > \> > \> I was reading your entry and wondering if there was a connection. > My grandmother maiden name was Cervantes Castrejon and was raised in > Manzanillo, Colima. Her fathers name was Pedro Cervantes. I also have > Ramirez in the family tree from my fathers side "Iglesias" from > Guachinango, Jalisco and my mother side "Ramirez" is from Coahuila > (we think). > \> > \> Please let me know. > \> > \> Thanks! > \> > \> Janet > \> > \> ----- Original Message ----- > \> From: sgapodaca > \> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > \> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:06 AM > \> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Names > \> > \> > \> Hello. During my research, I once found a record of an > illegitimate > \> child just by chance. I was checking the baptisms in Atotonilco > el > \> bajo/santa clara, Jalisco of children with the last name > Cervantes. > \> Most of them were not related to me, but I found a girl whose > last > \> name was Cervantes. she was the illegitimate daughter of a woman > with > \> the last name Hernandez and of my greatgrandfather's brother > Bacilio > \> Apodaca. However, she was not named neither Apodaca or Hernandez. > \> Why? Because in the record it showed that this child was not > claimed > \> by the father, but by the paternal grandmother, Guadalupe > Cervantes. > \> So, in this case, the child inherited the paternal's > grandmother's > \> maiden surname. > \> > \> I believe there's not a standard about naming illegitimate > children, > \> since my second great grandfather Evaristo Ramirez kept the last > name > \> of his father, even though he was a natural child. > \> > \> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "alice\_wissing" > > \> wrote: > \> \> While looking at the International Genealogical Index I came > across > \> \> an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other than his > \> wife > \> \> during the late 1700's. The child carried the father's last > name > \> \> only (no mother's name attached at the end)and only the > mother's > \> \> first name was listed. I was under the impression an > illegitimate > \> \> child never used his father's last name, so this confused me. > \> \> > \> \> I've ordered a copy of the entry from the History Center, but > it > \> \> will take weeks for me to receive it. In the meantime, does > anyone > \> \> know if there were strict standards regarding an illegitimate > \> \> child's use of a father's last name? And also, why would only > a > \> \> first name be listed for a mother? I see this all the time > while > \> \> perusing the IGI. > \> \> > \> \> Thanks, > \> \> > \> \> Alicia > \> > \> > \> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > \> ADVERTISEMENT > \> > \> > \> > \> > \> > \> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > \> Yahoo! Groups Links > \> > \> a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > \> [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/](http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/) > \> > \> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > \> ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > \> > \> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. |